The ignorance you spew is not surprising. Empirically, the claim that "most Bolsheviks were Zionists" does not hold up to historical scrutiny for several reasons:
Membership and Ideological Alignment: The Bolshevik Party, which led the Russian Revolution in 1917, consisted of a diverse group of revolutionaries from various ethnic …
The ignorance you spew is not surprising. Empirically, the claim that "most Bolsheviks were Zionists" does not hold up to historical scrutiny for several reasons:
Membership and Ideological Alignment: The Bolshevik Party, which led the Russian Revolution in 1917, consisted of a diverse group of revolutionaries from various ethnic and national backgrounds, including Russians, Ukrainians, Georgians, Jews, and others. While Jews were indeed represented within the Bolshevik Party and played significant roles in the Russian Revolution and early Soviet government, they did not constitute the majority of the party's membership. The party was predominantly Slavic, reflecting the ethnic composition of the Russian Empire and later the Soviet Union.
Divergent Goals: Bolshevism and Zionism pursued fundamentally different objectives. Bolsheviks sought to dismantle the capitalist system and establish a communist society based on the principles of Marxism-Leninism, which emphasized class struggle, the dictatorship of the proletariat, and the abolition of national states in favor of a global communist society. Zionism, by contrast, was a nationalist movement focused on the establishment of a national homeland for the Jewish people in Palestine. The primary aim of Zionism was not related to the global class struggle or the abolition of capitalism but rather to national self-determination and the end of Jewish diaspora through the creation of a Jewish state.
Historical Context: During the early years of the Soviet Union, the government's relationship with Zionism was complex. Initially, the Soviet Union supported Jewish national aspirations insofar as they aligned with its anti-imperialist agenda, even voting in favor of the partition of Palestine in 1947, which led to the establishment of the State of Israel. However, this support was strategic rather than ideological. As the Cold War began and the Soviet Union's foreign policy interests evolved, it increasingly viewed Zionism and the State of Israel as aligned with Western imperialist powers, leading to a more antagonistic stance. Within the USSR, Zionist activities were suppressed, and Jewish cultural and religious expressions were discouraged, reflecting the broader Soviet policy against nationalism and religion.
In summary, while there were Jewish Bolsheviks and some of them might have sympathized with Zionist aspirations, the ideological foundations, objectives, and historical actions of Bolshevism and Zionism were markedly different. The claim that "most Bolsheviks were Zionists" is not supported by the empirical historical evidence regarding the composition of the Bolshevik movement or the ideological and political goals of Bolshevism and Zionism.
You should learn about history before making idiotic claims, "How is Israel a legitimate homeland? By what basis?"
1)Most of the Israeli land occupied by Jews today was purchased from the Ottoman Empire empire starting in the late 19th century. The land purchased was swampland and desert wasteland.
2)This land was skillfully reclaimed in effect a homesteading operation. Bought and paid for by the Jewish National Fund in the early twentieth century.
3) The British in 1920 legally mandated Palestine as a Jewish homeland and in fact the majority of Jews at tht time were not immigrants but Jews who's ancestrsal routes went back generations, the Ottoman Empire consensus records of 1896 show that that the majority of inhabitants in Jerusalem were Jewish.
4) THe UN in 1947 declared a two State solution that the Jews accepted and the Arabs did not and immediately attacked the legal State of Israel.
You never answered my question. Why am I a Nazi? Instead you cut/paste some long-winded cookie-cutter answer about how I am an ignorant fool. My best answer to you is by a man that was imprisoned for most of his life in the Soviet Gulag...he would know more than you or I about what happened in Russia.
“We cannot state that all Jews are Bolsheviks. But without Jews, there would never have been Bolshevism. For a Jew, nothing is more insulting than the truth. The blood maddened Jewish terrorists have murdered sixty-six million in Russia from 1918 to 1957.”
— Alexander Solschenizyn
If I am ignorant, you are a hypocrite.
In all that you wrote, you never mentioned, not even once, the current genocide against the Palestinians being perpetrated by Zionists. The death toll is horrendous and hospitals are being targeted. Food is not allowed in at some check points. The land purchased was not swampland and desert wasteland. There were Palestinians living there and farming the land and they were systematically burned out of their homes and killed and herded up to live elsewhere.
So, all the protestations about how what I wrote is all lies, is unraveled by what is happening right now. AND the US is giving weapons and money to the Zionists! We are complicit in this genocide that Zionists in the US are pushing. So yes I am worried about this weapon of food scarcity being turned against the US at some later date.
His ad hominem is certainly overblown and unfortunate re: Nazi, but, more importantly, he cogently answered your main and exceedingly specious argument, and, as such, you have been sufficiently proven to be dead wrong.
I hope you can appreciate his correct historical context, and maybe you will in the future refrain from making such specious claims which are anything but historically accurate.
"the current genocide against the Palestinians being perpetrated by Zionists."
1) The Hamas in their charter call for the extermination of al lJews. The fact that they use civilians as shields is to further their goal of depicting a countries act of self defense as a genocide.
You mindlessly spew Hamas propaganda.
Marx by the way although born into a Jewish family his father, Heinrich Marx, originally Jewish but converted to Lutheranism before Karl's birth, largely due to the anti-Semitic laws and restrictions that limited the professional and social opportunities available to Jews at the time. Thus, Karl Marx was baptized and raised in a Protestant Christian household. Despite his Jewish ancestry, Marx was not religious and became a critic of all forms of organized religion, famously describing religion as the "opium of the people" in his critique of the societal and psychological functions of religion in capitalist societies.
The Zionism isn't clear at all, but the jewish makeup of the Bolsheviks, and their hatred of the Christian middle class, whom they robbed and murdered by the millions, is very clear...
Matt0794
The ignorance you spew is not surprising. Empirically, the claim that "most Bolsheviks were Zionists" does not hold up to historical scrutiny for several reasons:
Membership and Ideological Alignment: The Bolshevik Party, which led the Russian Revolution in 1917, consisted of a diverse group of revolutionaries from various ethnic and national backgrounds, including Russians, Ukrainians, Georgians, Jews, and others. While Jews were indeed represented within the Bolshevik Party and played significant roles in the Russian Revolution and early Soviet government, they did not constitute the majority of the party's membership. The party was predominantly Slavic, reflecting the ethnic composition of the Russian Empire and later the Soviet Union.
Divergent Goals: Bolshevism and Zionism pursued fundamentally different objectives. Bolsheviks sought to dismantle the capitalist system and establish a communist society based on the principles of Marxism-Leninism, which emphasized class struggle, the dictatorship of the proletariat, and the abolition of national states in favor of a global communist society. Zionism, by contrast, was a nationalist movement focused on the establishment of a national homeland for the Jewish people in Palestine. The primary aim of Zionism was not related to the global class struggle or the abolition of capitalism but rather to national self-determination and the end of Jewish diaspora through the creation of a Jewish state.
Historical Context: During the early years of the Soviet Union, the government's relationship with Zionism was complex. Initially, the Soviet Union supported Jewish national aspirations insofar as they aligned with its anti-imperialist agenda, even voting in favor of the partition of Palestine in 1947, which led to the establishment of the State of Israel. However, this support was strategic rather than ideological. As the Cold War began and the Soviet Union's foreign policy interests evolved, it increasingly viewed Zionism and the State of Israel as aligned with Western imperialist powers, leading to a more antagonistic stance. Within the USSR, Zionist activities were suppressed, and Jewish cultural and religious expressions were discouraged, reflecting the broader Soviet policy against nationalism and religion.
In summary, while there were Jewish Bolsheviks and some of them might have sympathized with Zionist aspirations, the ideological foundations, objectives, and historical actions of Bolshevism and Zionism were markedly different. The claim that "most Bolsheviks were Zionists" is not supported by the empirical historical evidence regarding the composition of the Bolshevik movement or the ideological and political goals of Bolshevism and Zionism.
You should learn about history before making idiotic claims, "How is Israel a legitimate homeland? By what basis?"
1)Most of the Israeli land occupied by Jews today was purchased from the Ottoman Empire empire starting in the late 19th century. The land purchased was swampland and desert wasteland.
2)This land was skillfully reclaimed in effect a homesteading operation. Bought and paid for by the Jewish National Fund in the early twentieth century.
3) The British in 1920 legally mandated Palestine as a Jewish homeland and in fact the majority of Jews at tht time were not immigrants but Jews who's ancestrsal routes went back generations, the Ottoman Empire consensus records of 1896 show that that the majority of inhabitants in Jerusalem were Jewish.
4) THe UN in 1947 declared a two State solution that the Jews accepted and the Arabs did not and immediately attacked the legal State of Israel.
You never answered my question. Why am I a Nazi? Instead you cut/paste some long-winded cookie-cutter answer about how I am an ignorant fool. My best answer to you is by a man that was imprisoned for most of his life in the Soviet Gulag...he would know more than you or I about what happened in Russia.
“We cannot state that all Jews are Bolsheviks. But without Jews, there would never have been Bolshevism. For a Jew, nothing is more insulting than the truth. The blood maddened Jewish terrorists have murdered sixty-six million in Russia from 1918 to 1957.”
— Alexander Solschenizyn
If I am ignorant, you are a hypocrite.
In all that you wrote, you never mentioned, not even once, the current genocide against the Palestinians being perpetrated by Zionists. The death toll is horrendous and hospitals are being targeted. Food is not allowed in at some check points. The land purchased was not swampland and desert wasteland. There were Palestinians living there and farming the land and they were systematically burned out of their homes and killed and herded up to live elsewhere.
So, all the protestations about how what I wrote is all lies, is unraveled by what is happening right now. AND the US is giving weapons and money to the Zionists! We are complicit in this genocide that Zionists in the US are pushing. So yes I am worried about this weapon of food scarcity being turned against the US at some later date.
His ad hominem is certainly overblown and unfortunate re: Nazi, but, more importantly, he cogently answered your main and exceedingly specious argument, and, as such, you have been sufficiently proven to be dead wrong.
I hope you can appreciate his correct historical context, and maybe you will in the future refrain from making such specious claims which are anything but historically accurate.
I challenge you to tell me what I said that is historically inaccurate.
Marxism and Zionism have overlapping goals. Any good faith examination of the history of these ideologies shows that.
"the current genocide against the Palestinians being perpetrated by Zionists."
1) The Hamas in their charter call for the extermination of al lJews. The fact that they use civilians as shields is to further their goal of depicting a countries act of self defense as a genocide.
You mindlessly spew Hamas propaganda.
Marx by the way although born into a Jewish family his father, Heinrich Marx, originally Jewish but converted to Lutheranism before Karl's birth, largely due to the anti-Semitic laws and restrictions that limited the professional and social opportunities available to Jews at the time. Thus, Karl Marx was baptized and raised in a Protestant Christian household. Despite his Jewish ancestry, Marx was not religious and became a critic of all forms of organized religion, famously describing religion as the "opium of the people" in his critique of the societal and psychological functions of religion in capitalist societies.
And you mindlessly spew Zionist propaganda. I guess this is where we say any further conversation is pointless...
And everyone with COMMEN SENS knows that the HAMAS is the frankenstein creator of the Israeli state!!!!!!
The Zionism isn't clear at all, but the jewish makeup of the Bolsheviks, and their hatred of the Christian middle class, whom they robbed and murdered by the millions, is very clear...