Im kind of torn about Snowden. He did humanity a great service by exposing the misdeeds of the deep state. But when I’ve observed him speak he seems like he’s trying really hard not to be a pompous moralizing leftist asshole. Which makes it hard for me to trust him. But I’ll take him for now because the “enemy of my enemy” and all that. He seems to be on the correct side in this historical battle of the people versus the Fascist Technocratic Eugenicist Oligarchy. For now…
The formal institution of torture under Bush and Cheney was an absolute disgrace to Western civilisation, an abomination, all on the faux pretext of finding the 9/11 'terrorists', when they were right there in the Whitehouse. The deep state psychos are in charge, and there're no white hats coming to save us.
Dick Cheney is a lifetime member and former director of the CFR. The 9/11/2001 attack plans were prepared while fellow CFR member Bill Clinton was in office. CIA director George Tenet, who served both Clinton and Bush, is a CFR member.
Just before the 2000 election, a "catastrophic and catalysing event" was predicted in the PNAC document "Rebuilding America's Defenses". Most of the PNAC members were also CFR members, and they were given the key posts in the Bush Jr. admin.
The article seems to indicate the “CIA is an arm of the government”. I think it could easily be argued that the CIA elects and runs government. Presidents who don’t follow along like Kennedy who fired CIA director Allan Dulles was a warning sign to future Presidents. Apparently, Reagan’s assignation attempts were warning shots to ensure his compliance. It’s odd how often Vice-Presidents with CIA ties have connections to the would be assassins.
Edward Snowden is suspicious as only a small portion of his archive was exposed and the rest sold to a CIA backed Billionaire through Glenn Greenwald and the creation of the intercept. Most of the information that Snowden did expose had already been known through previous whistle blowers, although not amplified through mainstream media.
Snowden has been very quiet about the present situation.
BTW, George H.W. Bush was a CFR director just before his term as Reagan's VP, and was a Trilateral member while in office. He passed the baton to fellow CFR/Trilateral member Bill Clinton.
Substantial agreement with 2nd on all this analysis. On one subject I hold a different view. The term “al Qaeda” and bin Laden collective focus were and remain a “distraction” in military terms. The purpose of “distraction” is to assure focus away from the objective. At time of 911, being actively putting out intell daily on Afghanistan, Taliban, bin Laden, it took less than 24 hours after 911 to put out “It is highly unlikely that bin Laden had anything to do with 911". Not one of my high level distribution disagreed. Term al Qaeda has a non-organization lineage and is used in place of actual names of various real groups, none of which bin Laden led. Both Taliban and bin Laden condemned 911 separately as a crime and latter pointed to the most likely two candidates (not covered by US MSM). Most would disagree with me, but most were not tracking Afghanistan events daily and either rely on, or orchestrated, the official narrative.
The globalist Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), owned by the Rockefellers and fellow oligarchs, was largely responsible for WW2, the "Manhattan Project", and the formation of post-war organizations including the DoD, NATO, the UN, and the CIA.
Truman was a Masonic chump, in over his head. He was in office less than a year when he approved the atomic bombing of Japan in Aug 1945. He was then "raised" to the 33rd degree in Oct 1945. CFR members Bill Donovan (OSS) and Allen Dulles were the real CIA godfathers.
Eisenhower, who succeeded Truman, had joined the CFR right after the war. Rockefeller operatives Allen Dulles, a CFR director for 40 years, ran the CIA, while his brother, CFR member John F. Dulles, ran the State Dept. See "The Secret Team" by Col. Fletcher Prouty which covers the period.
Most of the CIA directors since then, including William Burns and his deputy David Cohen, have been CFR members. Likewise for the secretaries of State, Treasury and Defense.
What happened to Snowden’s substack? I initially paid, but after months without posts, I quit. He’s worth listening to, although his situation constrains him.
Okay, agreed, there are certainly equal and better examples. And yes, if you’re saying we shouldn’t need to limit our compassion to American citizens, I’m completely in your corner.
Snowden is a valuable resource, but the crocodile tears about bombing that "American citizen," which so many other critics have used, always strikes a false note. Unless the late terrorist and his future jihadi son were really innocents, I don't have a problem with it. The 8 year old girl is different from a 16 year old boy...16 is plenty old enough to be a dangerous warrior. Unless that family have been misrepresented, always a possibility, it's likely that bombing those jihadis was a righteous targeted assassination that saved a lot of American lives. Having American citizenship on paper doesn't make anyone American, especially nowadays. Too many people use that documentation to kill actual Americans. I'm willing to change my mind, because information is always suspect, but if the late jihadi family were really jihadis, no crocodile tears from me. The CIA is so prolific, it's inevitable that they occasionally kill actual enemies.
Of course. But those American citizens who were whacked were actual baddies, most likely, so not the best example. It belongs to the whole class of leftist propaganda and smarmy defense attorney rationales. Your honor, my client pleads guilty to spare the victim the stress of a trial. I heard that in person, about me, by the way. Targeted assassinations can be like actual trials. So many good people have been put away by the criminal justice system. Should we scrap that too, because it could unfairly target good people? How about being careful and putting better people in charge, that could help.
Well, we don't know if they were actual baddies, you admit that yourself, and given the mendacity of the media and commitment to massive lying by the intelligence agencies and government in general, I'm not going to take their version of events at face value at all. And targeted assassinations are not actual trials, that's an absurd analogy, since a person killed (by drones, poison, gun, whatever) while going about his daily life has no chance to make a defense. Yes, innocent people go to prison in the criminal justice system--an argument for reforms--but they are still alive and the possibility of proving their innocence and being freed remains. As far as putting "better people" in goes, I personally think that is a fool's errand. The very nature of the institution corrupts. We need to get rid of the CIA, tout court. I'm not holding my breath, though.
I agree we need to get rid of the CIA, but this crying about those poor American citizens is flat out dishonest. If they were actually baddies. But as far as we know, they were. Can't people at least find better examples? Afghan wedding parties are a great example. They can be awarded posthumous American citizenship, why not? Anything goes nowadays.
The point that still escapes you is that you have no idea whether they were "baddies" or not. You only know what rogue agencies and a corrupt government chooses to tell you and somehow you still want to trust these people. Give it a rest, you are embarrassing yourself.
I have said repeatedly that all information is suspect, so my posts re this subject are more about the principle of targeted assassination of American citizens. Don't tell me to give it a rest or I'll tell you to read what I wrote.
Within a year, the young agency had already slipped the leash of its intended role of intelligence collection and analysis to establish a covert operations division. Within a decade, the CIA was directing the coverage of American news organizations
Where is part 2. He needs to take the Gauntlett much further than use his name to ask us to question. His ability to breach main stream is a gift. Part 2 Mr Snowden. This piece demands an encore.
If you have contact with Edward please tell him because of what he did Nancy Pelosi started a campaign called “insider threat” to divert attention away from the “insider trading” trend that was taking place among the corrupt politicians in Washington. They discriminated me for ten years as I worked and built SCIFs, now look who’s in the news regarding documents on his garage that came from SCIFs. DSS was disseminating communist tactics among the DoD community and that discrimination allowed Joe Biden to go around the world selling the nation secrets and assets to other corrupt nations. They’ve been trying to sabotage my life and everything I do for the past two years and the American people will know everything that goes on on these labs because the government is more concerned with not looking bad instead of acknowledging their mistakes. They can keep hacking all my devices, censoring me online, sabotaging my life, stealing my work and speaking lies; it’s only going to make matters worse. Till this day no one has reached out to me to come to a resolution, they rather hide and play Cold War era games rather than fixing what they broke and holding politicians accountable. Nothing of what he did helped Americans, he could have done everything legally but he chose to ruin everybody’s life and tell our adversaries of how these communists top level officials try to control people so they start doing the same. He is no hero, he claims to have left everything including the woman he loved but if he was truly in loved and cared for Americans he would have found a different resolution. Because of the government corruption I have no choice but to prove what I did for work for a decade in these labs because they will not stop me free moving forward with my life simply because of what he stole from the American people.
I read up on the foundation of the CIA and noticed something rather odd. They seem to work for the Vatican. This might explain why every top executive they have is Jesuit trained at top Jesuit universities. It also explains why they don't treat the USA with any respect and why they don't mind killing people. I guess they obey some of the dodgiest Papal Bulls, like Unam Sanctum which insists that all of humanity is claimed by the Roman Catholic Church on behalf of God.
I'd like to have proof of the accusations in this article. And claiming Trump killed a little girl, don't see it. If he said CIA murdered the little girl, believable. Trump has grandchildren, he wouldn't do that.
The CIA is a criminal organization. No better then the S.S.
Indeed. The CIA should be disbanded, and its current function turned over to the FBI.
...um, no. Both need to be cleaned and thrown out.
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Im kind of torn about Snowden. He did humanity a great service by exposing the misdeeds of the deep state. But when I’ve observed him speak he seems like he’s trying really hard not to be a pompous moralizing leftist asshole. Which makes it hard for me to trust him. But I’ll take him for now because the “enemy of my enemy” and all that. He seems to be on the correct side in this historical battle of the people versus the Fascist Technocratic Eugenicist Oligarchy. For now…
The formal institution of torture under Bush and Cheney was an absolute disgrace to Western civilisation, an abomination, all on the faux pretext of finding the 9/11 'terrorists', when they were right there in the Whitehouse. The deep state psychos are in charge, and there're no white hats coming to save us.
Dick Cheney is a lifetime member and former director of the CFR. The 9/11/2001 attack plans were prepared while fellow CFR member Bill Clinton was in office. CIA director George Tenet, who served both Clinton and Bush, is a CFR member.
Just before the 2000 election, a "catastrophic and catalysing event" was predicted in the PNAC document "Rebuilding America's Defenses". Most of the PNAC members were also CFR members, and they were given the key posts in the Bush Jr. admin.
CFR?
The article seems to indicate the “CIA is an arm of the government”. I think it could easily be argued that the CIA elects and runs government. Presidents who don’t follow along like Kennedy who fired CIA director Allan Dulles was a warning sign to future Presidents. Apparently, Reagan’s assignation attempts were warning shots to ensure his compliance. It’s odd how often Vice-Presidents with CIA ties have connections to the would be assassins.
Edward Snowden is suspicious as only a small portion of his archive was exposed and the rest sold to a CIA backed Billionaire through Glenn Greenwald and the creation of the intercept. Most of the information that Snowden did expose had already been known through previous whistle blowers, although not amplified through mainstream media.
Snowden has been very quiet about the present situation.
Why do you think they called it "the Intercept"? These people just love an inside joke.
Here's a 2019 article on Omidyar, Greenwald, and what happened to the "Snowden archives":
https://washingtonbabylon.com/why-did-omidyar-shut-down-the-intercepts-snowden-archive/
Here's what Greenwald said when he decided to bail out of The Intercept in 2020:
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/my-resignation-from-the-intercept
BTW, George H.W. Bush was a CFR director just before his term as Reagan's VP, and was a Trilateral member while in office. He passed the baton to fellow CFR/Trilateral member Bill Clinton.
Substantial agreement with 2nd on all this analysis. On one subject I hold a different view. The term “al Qaeda” and bin Laden collective focus were and remain a “distraction” in military terms. The purpose of “distraction” is to assure focus away from the objective. At time of 911, being actively putting out intell daily on Afghanistan, Taliban, bin Laden, it took less than 24 hours after 911 to put out “It is highly unlikely that bin Laden had anything to do with 911". Not one of my high level distribution disagreed. Term al Qaeda has a non-organization lineage and is used in place of actual names of various real groups, none of which bin Laden led. Both Taliban and bin Laden condemned 911 separately as a crime and latter pointed to the most likely two candidates (not covered by US MSM). Most would disagree with me, but most were not tracking Afghanistan events daily and either rely on, or orchestrated, the official narrative.
The globalist Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), owned by the Rockefellers and fellow oligarchs, was largely responsible for WW2, the "Manhattan Project", and the formation of post-war organizations including the DoD, NATO, the UN, and the CIA.
Truman was a Masonic chump, in over his head. He was in office less than a year when he approved the atomic bombing of Japan in Aug 1945. He was then "raised" to the 33rd degree in Oct 1945. CFR members Bill Donovan (OSS) and Allen Dulles were the real CIA godfathers.
Eisenhower, who succeeded Truman, had joined the CFR right after the war. Rockefeller operatives Allen Dulles, a CFR director for 40 years, ran the CIA, while his brother, CFR member John F. Dulles, ran the State Dept. See "The Secret Team" by Col. Fletcher Prouty which covers the period.
https://archive.org/details/cia-the-secret-team-how-they-control-the-world/mode/2up
Most of the CIA directors since then, including William Burns and his deputy David Cohen, have been CFR members. Likewise for the secretaries of State, Treasury and Defense.
What happened to Snowden’s substack? I initially paid, but after months without posts, I quit. He’s worth listening to, although his situation constrains him.
Okay, agreed, there are certainly equal and better examples. And yes, if you’re saying we shouldn’t need to limit our compassion to American citizens, I’m completely in your corner.
Snowden is a valuable resource, but the crocodile tears about bombing that "American citizen," which so many other critics have used, always strikes a false note. Unless the late terrorist and his future jihadi son were really innocents, I don't have a problem with it. The 8 year old girl is different from a 16 year old boy...16 is plenty old enough to be a dangerous warrior. Unless that family have been misrepresented, always a possibility, it's likely that bombing those jihadis was a righteous targeted assassination that saved a lot of American lives. Having American citizenship on paper doesn't make anyone American, especially nowadays. Too many people use that documentation to kill actual Americans. I'm willing to change my mind, because information is always suspect, but if the late jihadi family were really jihadis, no crocodile tears from me. The CIA is so prolific, it's inevitable that they occasionally kill actual enemies.
Yeah, well I have a problem with targeted assassinations on principle. One principle being that you never know when you'll be targeted.
Of course. But those American citizens who were whacked were actual baddies, most likely, so not the best example. It belongs to the whole class of leftist propaganda and smarmy defense attorney rationales. Your honor, my client pleads guilty to spare the victim the stress of a trial. I heard that in person, about me, by the way. Targeted assassinations can be like actual trials. So many good people have been put away by the criminal justice system. Should we scrap that too, because it could unfairly target good people? How about being careful and putting better people in charge, that could help.
Well, we don't know if they were actual baddies, you admit that yourself, and given the mendacity of the media and commitment to massive lying by the intelligence agencies and government in general, I'm not going to take their version of events at face value at all. And targeted assassinations are not actual trials, that's an absurd analogy, since a person killed (by drones, poison, gun, whatever) while going about his daily life has no chance to make a defense. Yes, innocent people go to prison in the criminal justice system--an argument for reforms--but they are still alive and the possibility of proving their innocence and being freed remains. As far as putting "better people" in goes, I personally think that is a fool's errand. The very nature of the institution corrupts. We need to get rid of the CIA, tout court. I'm not holding my breath, though.
I agree we need to get rid of the CIA, but this crying about those poor American citizens is flat out dishonest. If they were actually baddies. But as far as we know, they were. Can't people at least find better examples? Afghan wedding parties are a great example. They can be awarded posthumous American citizenship, why not? Anything goes nowadays.
"But as far as we know, they were."
The point that still escapes you is that you have no idea whether they were "baddies" or not. You only know what rogue agencies and a corrupt government chooses to tell you and somehow you still want to trust these people. Give it a rest, you are embarrassing yourself.
I have said repeatedly that all information is suspect, so my posts re this subject are more about the principle of targeted assassination of American citizens. Don't tell me to give it a rest or I'll tell you to read what I wrote.
Your first link on the way back machine is missing
https://web.archive.org/web/20131025035711/http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
Within a year, the young agency had already slipped the leash of its intended role of intelligence collection and analysis to establish a covert operations division. Within a decade, the CIA was directing the coverage of American news organizations
Where is part 2. He needs to take the Gauntlett much further than use his name to ask us to question. His ability to breach main stream is a gift. Part 2 Mr Snowden. This piece demands an encore.
Hi,
If you have contact with Edward please tell him because of what he did Nancy Pelosi started a campaign called “insider threat” to divert attention away from the “insider trading” trend that was taking place among the corrupt politicians in Washington. They discriminated me for ten years as I worked and built SCIFs, now look who’s in the news regarding documents on his garage that came from SCIFs. DSS was disseminating communist tactics among the DoD community and that discrimination allowed Joe Biden to go around the world selling the nation secrets and assets to other corrupt nations. They’ve been trying to sabotage my life and everything I do for the past two years and the American people will know everything that goes on on these labs because the government is more concerned with not looking bad instead of acknowledging their mistakes. They can keep hacking all my devices, censoring me online, sabotaging my life, stealing my work and speaking lies; it’s only going to make matters worse. Till this day no one has reached out to me to come to a resolution, they rather hide and play Cold War era games rather than fixing what they broke and holding politicians accountable. Nothing of what he did helped Americans, he could have done everything legally but he chose to ruin everybody’s life and tell our adversaries of how these communists top level officials try to control people so they start doing the same. He is no hero, he claims to have left everything including the woman he loved but if he was truly in loved and cared for Americans he would have found a different resolution. Because of the government corruption I have no choice but to prove what I did for work for a decade in these labs because they will not stop me free moving forward with my life simply because of what he stole from the American people.
Edward Snowden is so very articulate. I read his book too.
Thanks for reposting Snowden. Here's a related draft post about government gaslighting:
https://robertyoho.substack.com/p/9f881a0f-77fc-4d8c-bfcd-9ad0da74dcbc
I read up on the foundation of the CIA and noticed something rather odd. They seem to work for the Vatican. This might explain why every top executive they have is Jesuit trained at top Jesuit universities. It also explains why they don't treat the USA with any respect and why they don't mind killing people. I guess they obey some of the dodgiest Papal Bulls, like Unam Sanctum which insists that all of humanity is claimed by the Roman Catholic Church on behalf of God.
If you are not a Catholic, you are dead meat.
I'd like to have proof of the accusations in this article. And claiming Trump killed a little girl, don't see it. If he said CIA murdered the little girl, believable. Trump has grandchildren, he wouldn't do that.