Greg, when I finally forgave someone (in my heart) after 30 years for the cruelty he perpetrated on me, I was able to rid myself of the ball and chain I had carried all those years. This was no "feel good fantasy". It felt more like I had been liberated and made free again.
I appreciate that Grace, but I think of that as a blessed letting go, not forgiveness. I think forgiving someone is relational, and when someone takes responsibility and apologizes, forgiving can happen. The perpetrator needs to do that. I see forgiving as relational. Maybe it doesn't matter what we call it, but your release does not, to my mind, bestow forgiveness to the one who was cruel. He or she have to come to terms with that themselves. Glad you are free of that ball and chain.
Grace, I regret saying "feel good fantasy," as it sounds like mockery. I am sorry. However, I do tire of people so easily saying they "forgive" people who continue to do cruel things and don't take any responsibility. It is almost like saying it is ok. It's not. We have to be responsible for our actions. And let good people feel free. We should.
I think forgiveness is for us as much as it is for the perpetrator. Most anyone can find it in their heart to forgive one who asks. Forgiving the one who never seeks forgiveness is an even bigger blessing and itтАЩs kind of a power move, in a way. Holding a grudge will eat away at you. You will spend more time тАЬrubbing that woundтАЭ than truly living. The wound grabs hold of you and to a degree, exerts control. Holding a grudge is like drinking poison and hoping the offender gets sickтАФ or so IтАЩve been told. Being the bigger person is a heady, freeing feeling. The wound no longer festers.
I appreciate your taking the time to write this. It is, as I said, a blessing "letting go," and that can be called "forgiveness," but I think to forgive someone is relational, not the solo act that you have described. Letting go is a blessing. Agreed. But I think forgiving is relational.
I hear ya! The bible tells us to forgive othersтАФ not everyone, and not to the point that we go, тАЬAhhh Fauci, no biggie! Uoire off the hook!тАЭ No. I think we are actually supposed to forgive everyone and that doesnтАЩt mean we step in and donтАЩt allow them to suffer consequences. I guess for me, it come down to, the teachings of the bible hav served me
awfully well for 40+ years and anytime I take the high road even if itтАЩs a hard choice, it always lays off great dividends.
Sometimes we are commanded not to forgive. In the scriptures there are always the opposites given from the Lord and this is so we can use our agency hopefully wisely. The Lord hasnтАЩt stuffed us into a box.
Yes, I believe this is correct. "Forgiveness," in the sense used here, means that the offended person stands ready to forgive the offender should the latter own up to the offense. It is more an act for the offended's behalf, as the offender is not and should not be relieved of the consequences of the offense - rather the offended party stands willing to forgive such as to prevent a root of bitterness and revenge to rise up in the heart of the offended.
In the case of Fauci, Walensky, et al, these creeps have doubled down on their statements and actions, and they have utterly refused to admit their faults in the least - this is what a non-contrite person looks like, and as such, though I bear no ill-will toward any of them, I do hope they will be called to account for their crimes here on earth. I know they will be called to account in the future, and this gives me great comfort. If any of them choose to repent themselves of their evil deeds, I stand prepared to forgive them, as I do respect true repentance - but I also believe they must be held over for their crimes and the retribution thereof. What upsets me is that these arrogant cretins continue to act all self-righteous and escape accountability for their crimes. For now, that is...
I think you're spot of on , Greg. To forgive requires someone to beg for pardon. To beg for pardon requires remorse by the wrong-doer. If there is no remorse, there can be no forgiveness. Yes, one can cleanse oneself of the evil by "letting it go"...but to mind, this is something different than forgiveness. Maybe we're all just arguing semantics here.
I too have forgiven whom I thought was unforgivable. I never want to harbor that kind of anger and hate in my heart again. It almost destroyed me. Vengeance is mine saith the Lord. I had to give it all to God and He set me free. What a liberating feeling that was!
ЁЯТЬ I know the feeling. Forgiveness is so you can heal, we don't forget that we were harmed. We just don't hang on to the resentment. In my situation, I was able to heal better when I did let go of it. That's what forgiveness is IMO. We don't let the pain fester in our heart. We learn how to heal and move on. It does take some accountability on the other person's part which I never did see but I let it go. That person passed away in 2016, I guess that helped me heal a bit more. The pain never fully goes away but it definitely gets easier with time. Grace, you are a wonderful person ЁЯТЬ
Oh wow! Thank you so much for your kind words. You articulated the power of forgiving the other so very well. Ideally, the offender should seek forgiveness from the person offended. Their failure to do so is their burden, not the one offended. Thanks for sharing your experience with me. I appreciate it.
When you're dead from a government sponsored and promoted bioweapon, you don't get the chance to forgive. If anything, the ones who are dying, and died suddenly need the 'living' to exact the justice and not get on our knees.
Karen E. Hetherington, I am sorry if you or someone you love is ill and suffering from the effects of the jabs, or worse yet, has died. I do believe justice must be served to those who orchestrated this hell and I have stated as much.
Much was being published in the spring of 2021, on the potential dangers and early obvious side-effects began pouring out on social media soon after these injections were made available. I contacted or met with all of my older relatives and relayed the concerning information and yet, every single one of them went for multiple shots. I might as well have screamed in the wind.
I am a strong believer in taking personal responsibility. This includes taking care of one's health to the best of one's ability, seeking information to become more knowledgeable, and questioning the dominant narrative(s) when it is so obviously flawed. We need to be honest here. Many people were caught up in the current culture at that time, which was to genuflect at the altar of political correctness and couldn't or wouldn't hear of any counter-narrative.
Forgiveness has a place in this story. It has to have one. There are those who orchestrated this plandemic event, right down to enacting simulations as per Event 201, to those who were bullied into acting on behalf of the state or face ruination, and in the case of the medical professions, potentially kill patients by neglect. This certainly happened for many cancer patients. As a kidney patient reliant on dialysis prior to transplant, I needed to have doctors who still showed up to work to review my blood work. I still needed nurses to take my calls when I had a question or concern. I am like millions of others who were in a similar situation.
I never suggested that anyone get on their knees, although I think it is a good idea. We need more humility in this world. We need more prayer in order to raise the vibration. We need to sort through decades, if not an entire century, of medical misinformation. Political leaders may happily refer to the post-Christian era, but I will not concede. Forgiveness is the foundation of Christianity. Without it, we enter Mad Max world and that's a world I do not wish to live in.
Justice for those who orchestrated the evil. Truth, reconciliation, and re-education for those who participated at the lowest levels of the plandemic. Their participation has marked them for life, assuming they have a conscience. And most people do. No profession - whether nurse, doctor, teacher, or police officer, among a multitude of others - will be exempt. They will always have the burden of regret, much like the hanging of an albatross around their neck.
So very beautifully stated, Jennifer. I agree. Forgiveness is the beginning of healing.
Forgive? Why forgive those who take no responsibility or apologize. Without that, "forgiveness" is a feel good fantasy.
Greg, when I finally forgave someone (in my heart) after 30 years for the cruelty he perpetrated on me, I was able to rid myself of the ball and chain I had carried all those years. This was no "feel good fantasy". It felt more like I had been liberated and made free again.
I appreciate that Grace, but I think of that as a blessed letting go, not forgiveness. I think forgiving someone is relational, and when someone takes responsibility and apologizes, forgiving can happen. The perpetrator needs to do that. I see forgiving as relational. Maybe it doesn't matter what we call it, but your release does not, to my mind, bestow forgiveness to the one who was cruel. He or she have to come to terms with that themselves. Glad you are free of that ball and chain.
Grace, I regret saying "feel good fantasy," as it sounds like mockery. I am sorry. However, I do tire of people so easily saying they "forgive" people who continue to do cruel things and don't take any responsibility. It is almost like saying it is ok. It's not. We have to be responsible for our actions. And let good people feel free. We should.
I think forgiveness is for us as much as it is for the perpetrator. Most anyone can find it in their heart to forgive one who asks. Forgiving the one who never seeks forgiveness is an even bigger blessing and itтАЩs kind of a power move, in a way. Holding a grudge will eat away at you. You will spend more time тАЬrubbing that woundтАЭ than truly living. The wound grabs hold of you and to a degree, exerts control. Holding a grudge is like drinking poison and hoping the offender gets sickтАФ or so IтАЩve been told. Being the bigger person is a heady, freeing feeling. The wound no longer festers.
I appreciate your taking the time to write this. It is, as I said, a blessing "letting go," and that can be called "forgiveness," but I think to forgive someone is relational, not the solo act that you have described. Letting go is a blessing. Agreed. But I think forgiving is relational.
I hear ya! The bible tells us to forgive othersтАФ not everyone, and not to the point that we go, тАЬAhhh Fauci, no biggie! Uoire off the hook!тАЭ No. I think we are actually supposed to forgive everyone and that doesnтАЩt mean we step in and donтАЩt allow them to suffer consequences. I guess for me, it come down to, the teachings of the bible hav served me
awfully well for 40+ years and anytime I take the high road even if itтАЩs a hard choice, it always lays off great dividends.
Sometimes we are commanded not to forgive. In the scriptures there are always the opposites given from the Lord and this is so we can use our agency hopefully wisely. The Lord hasnтАЩt stuffed us into a box.
Yes, I believe this is correct. "Forgiveness," in the sense used here, means that the offended person stands ready to forgive the offender should the latter own up to the offense. It is more an act for the offended's behalf, as the offender is not and should not be relieved of the consequences of the offense - rather the offended party stands willing to forgive such as to prevent a root of bitterness and revenge to rise up in the heart of the offended.
In the case of Fauci, Walensky, et al, these creeps have doubled down on their statements and actions, and they have utterly refused to admit their faults in the least - this is what a non-contrite person looks like, and as such, though I bear no ill-will toward any of them, I do hope they will be called to account for their crimes here on earth. I know they will be called to account in the future, and this gives me great comfort. If any of them choose to repent themselves of their evil deeds, I stand prepared to forgive them, as I do respect true repentance - but I also believe they must be held over for their crimes and the retribution thereof. What upsets me is that these arrogant cretins continue to act all self-righteous and escape accountability for their crimes. For now, that is...
Perfect explanation! ЁЯТЬ
I think you're spot of on , Greg. To forgive requires someone to beg for pardon. To beg for pardon requires remorse by the wrong-doer. If there is no remorse, there can be no forgiveness. Yes, one can cleanse oneself of the evil by "letting it go"...but to mind, this is something different than forgiveness. Maybe we're all just arguing semantics here.
I too have forgiven whom I thought was unforgivable. I never want to harbor that kind of anger and hate in my heart again. It almost destroyed me. Vengeance is mine saith the Lord. I had to give it all to God and He set me free. What a liberating feeling that was!
Deborah, thank you for sharing your experience of forgiveness. I appreciate it! God bless you.
ЁЯТЬ I know the feeling. Forgiveness is so you can heal, we don't forget that we were harmed. We just don't hang on to the resentment. In my situation, I was able to heal better when I did let go of it. That's what forgiveness is IMO. We don't let the pain fester in our heart. We learn how to heal and move on. It does take some accountability on the other person's part which I never did see but I let it go. That person passed away in 2016, I guess that helped me heal a bit more. The pain never fully goes away but it definitely gets easier with time. Grace, you are a wonderful person ЁЯТЬ
Oh wow! Thank you so much for your kind words. You articulated the power of forgiving the other so very well. Ideally, the offender should seek forgiveness from the person offended. Their failure to do so is their burden, not the one offended. Thanks for sharing your experience with me. I appreciate it.
When you're dead from a government sponsored and promoted bioweapon, you don't get the chance to forgive. If anything, the ones who are dying, and died suddenly need the 'living' to exact the justice and not get on our knees.
Karen E. Hetherington, I am sorry if you or someone you love is ill and suffering from the effects of the jabs, or worse yet, has died. I do believe justice must be served to those who orchestrated this hell and I have stated as much.
Much was being published in the spring of 2021, on the potential dangers and early obvious side-effects began pouring out on social media soon after these injections were made available. I contacted or met with all of my older relatives and relayed the concerning information and yet, every single one of them went for multiple shots. I might as well have screamed in the wind.
I am a strong believer in taking personal responsibility. This includes taking care of one's health to the best of one's ability, seeking information to become more knowledgeable, and questioning the dominant narrative(s) when it is so obviously flawed. We need to be honest here. Many people were caught up in the current culture at that time, which was to genuflect at the altar of political correctness and couldn't or wouldn't hear of any counter-narrative.
Forgiveness has a place in this story. It has to have one. There are those who orchestrated this plandemic event, right down to enacting simulations as per Event 201, to those who were bullied into acting on behalf of the state or face ruination, and in the case of the medical professions, potentially kill patients by neglect. This certainly happened for many cancer patients. As a kidney patient reliant on dialysis prior to transplant, I needed to have doctors who still showed up to work to review my blood work. I still needed nurses to take my calls when I had a question or concern. I am like millions of others who were in a similar situation.
I never suggested that anyone get on their knees, although I think it is a good idea. We need more humility in this world. We need more prayer in order to raise the vibration. We need to sort through decades, if not an entire century, of medical misinformation. Political leaders may happily refer to the post-Christian era, but I will not concede. Forgiveness is the foundation of Christianity. Without it, we enter Mad Max world and that's a world I do not wish to live in.
Justice for those who orchestrated the evil. Truth, reconciliation, and re-education for those who participated at the lowest levels of the plandemic. Their participation has marked them for life, assuming they have a conscience. And most people do. No profession - whether nurse, doctor, teacher, or police officer, among a multitude of others - will be exempt. They will always have the burden of regret, much like the hanging of an albatross around their neck.
I love your heart Grace. Your name is perfect for you тЩея╕П
Why does forgiveness have to enter into the narrative? I just accept that people were duped because of brainwashing. That's it for me.
Understanding who you are and Whose you are is the beginning of healing. Forgiveness is a whole other ball game.