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ExcessDeathsAU's avatar

I love your substack, you are a nice person. But in a collapse scenario people will kill and eat each other. They have in the past and will again. Those local leaders you are referring to are MS13 and warlords when the prisons empty out. Sex, drugs, booze, firearms, ammo and medicine will be what people are interested in. Better to be among the survivors.

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I think you are exactly right. A few years ago, I came across Selco, he survived the Balkan war in the '90s. His account of how it went down, total and rapid collapse, and how he survived, is truly chilling. He teaches survival. I think I'll revisit his work.

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Yup. I have a neighbour from Serbia. He knew what this was straight away. We're tight. People will be trading their children and wives for food if they are lucky. I'm staying the fuck out of the way.

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Anyone who survived a warzone or gulag was also a killer. They just don't talk about it with you.

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Kathleen Devanney. A human.'s avatar

Thanks. I hear you and I don't expect any of this to go smoothly. Though if we have community ties where people are finding solutions, for food, and getting shit done and taking care of each other, they will also protect each other. As CAF has said, the next few years will be largely about surviving, and staying out of the chaos. I don't know what it's all going to look like and you may be right - surely cities will be scary places - but we do have some time (less and less by the day) to pull things together and become resilient. If people see a way forward, steps they can take for themselves and families they are less like to turn into angry mobs.

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For some reason running through my head right now is the scene from Independence Day when the people are on the top of the building 'greeting' the aliens and they open up and blast everyone.

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"no ( little ) time for sex, drugs and booze when you are trying to stay alive."

Your priorities are not the priorities of a gang member just released from prison who will be the people running the streets. Also, sex, drugs and booze will be THE bartering item. You will not be living in a utopia.

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Not going to happen when people are starving. Yours is the stuff of fantasies.

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