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Chris D's avatar

Man...I’ve really liked reading your thoughts over the last year but always kept some skepticism on your Musk take...but holy cow you nailed it.

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2nd Smartest Guy in the World's avatar

With little humility I can say that my predictive track record is superlative.

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Hugh Petersen's avatar

As much as I don’t like stroking other people’s ego I must say I had to like your comment.

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John's avatar

No one without ego works this hard.

It's simply part of the package.

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EmilyTVProducer's avatar

spot-less and spot-on, my brother

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The BarefootHealer's avatar

🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤗

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Gavin Mounsey's avatar

Did you ever hear about how Musk admitted to playing a part in a Coup d’etat in Bolivia over Lithium?

“Elon Musk Confesses to Lithium Coup in Bolivia”

https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/elon-musk-confesses-to-lithium-coup-in-bolivia-20200725-0010.html

“The CEO of the U.S.-based Telsa car manufacturer has admitted to involvement in what President Morales has referred to as a “Lithium Coup”.

“We will coup whoever we want! Deal with it.” was Elon Musk’s response to an accusation on twitter that the U.S. government organized a coup against President Evo Morales, so that Musk could obtain Bolivia’s lithium.”

“After Bolivia, Elon Musk says capitalists can overthrow any government they want”

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/after-bolivia-elon-musk-says-capitalists-can-overthrow-any-government-they-want/

“Elon Musk and the Overthrow of Democracy in Bolivia”

https://socialistproject.ca/2020/07/elon-musk-overthrow-of-democracy-in-bolivia/

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aux is playing's avatar

That's appalling, absolutely shocking! What disgusting depravity, villainy, degeneracy!

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John's avatar

Good stuff, thanks.

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Gavin Mounsey's avatar

Agreed.

Space X is a joke that uses a smoothed out version of antiquated tech with it’s roots in the 20-s.

Elon’s rocket-based craft that he uses to get into orbit are essentially just a more streamlined version of Wernher von Braun’s invention from 100 years ago. For those that do not know, Von Braun was the father of German rocket science. He invented the V-2 rockets, the missiles the Nazis launched toward England in the final months of World War II. He was also one of the Nazi’s brought over in operation paperclip.

So if Elon is so smart why is he using such archaic tech to get into space? Surely you do not think that controlled petroleum explosions are the best idea our brightest minds could come up with for propulsion systems in the last 100 years? Of course not, as early as around the same time Wernher von Braun was inventing his rocket systems for the nazis, others (like Dr. Kowsky and T. Townsend Brown) were dabbling in mass cancellation technology (Electrogravitics or what pop culture often describes as “anti-gravity”) for propulsion.

These types of propulsion systems (sometimes using harmonic resonance, acoustic levitation, high voltage systems and/or rotating ferro-fluids) were studied extensively in the open up until the early 50-s. Serious funding and studies were done. The subject of Electrogravitics can be found in prominent military R&D journals up until about 1954, at which point the whole subject goes dark and disappears off the radar. This was not due to failure, this was due to success, overwhelming and ground breaking success (using a variety of methods). I will provide documentation and additional evidence in subsequent comments for anyone that is curious to learn more.

Are rockets really the best he can do? Or it is just that the really efficient and groundbreaking tech is only used in classified military applications?

The real leading edge energy and propulsion tech that corporations like Raytheon or BAE (or Battelle, S.A.I.C., Booz-Allen and Hamilton, Inc, EG&G, Rockwell International etc) are working on would put both the oil and lithium cartels out of business and totally dismantle the energy cartel's monopoly, thus, front men and frauds like Musk are let loose to dance on the stage and convince those that do not know better that he is a cool, smart "green" billionaire bringing "innovation" and "freedom of speech" to the masses. People are easily duped.

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Electromagnetic Lifter Technology (Electrogravitics) is technology that was developed by a brilliant mathematician and physicist who has elucidated the fundamental relationship between electromagnetism, magnetic fields and mass and gravity. Essentially, this technology (having been developed to the level of a proof of principle system as early as 8 decades ago) allows for a reduction in mass, allowing for lift. The principles allow for creating extremely efficient energy generation systems as well as advanced aerospace applications. Examples and scientific background of this technology have been described by Valone (1994, 2004), Cameron (2001), LaViolette (2008), and Loder (2002).

– Valone, T. (2004). Electrogravitics II: Validating reports on a new propulsion methodology. Beltsville,

MD, Integrity Research Institute. 159pp. https://ia601404.us.archive.org/35/items/ijg-2015042015204020/IJG_2015042015204020.pdf

– Cameron, J. (2001). “An Asymmetric Gravitational Wave Propulsion System,” AIAA Paper No. 2001-

3913, Joint Propulsion Conference, Salt Lake City, Utah, July 8-11, 2001. : https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/6.2001-3913

– LaViolette, P. (2008). Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion: Tesla, UFOs, and Classified Aerospace

Technology. Bear & Company. 512 pp. : https://archive.org/details/secrets-of-antigravity-propulsion_202211

-- Thomas E. Bearden “Energy from the Vacuum: Concepts & Principles” (PDF download, the book is 952 pages long, though pages 609 onwards are index, footnotes, and glossary. The book has the heaviness and thickness of a phone book.) : https://archive.org/details/energy-vacuum-bearden and for select pages from the book that are viewable directly on archive.org : https://archive.org/details/t.-e.-bearden-energy-from-the-vacuum-concepts-and-principles-additional

– Loder, T.C. III (2002). “Outside-the-box” space and terrestrial transportation and energy technologies for the 21st century. Presented at the 40th AIAA Aerospace Sciences Meeting, Reno, NV Jan. 2002. https://ia601504.us.archive.org/5/items/outside-the-box-ted-loder-paper-1/OutsideTheBox-TedLoderPaper%20%281%29.pdf

In the highly classified aerospace industry, such flying devices were dubbed ‘Flux Liners’ because they used the Quantum Vacuum Flux field to provide energy and propulsion. The early Aerospace prototypes used only a 24-volt marine battery as a power-up system, after which the device went ‘over unity’, drawing its power from the Quantum Vacuum of space. Later (once the military got their hands on downed exotic space craft) they used back engineering in combination with what they had learned from the human inventors above to create more efficient and powerful prototypes. One such iteration was called the “A.R.V.”. My research and sources indicate that effective gravity control technology was mastered in covert military R&D programs as of October of 1954. Significant improvements, augmentations and refinement has occurred since then, resulting in a wide array of craft being manufactured in compartmented military contracts (USAPs).

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Historical Background:

It began with Townsend Brown and Kowsky-Frost.

In 1927 an article was published in German journal, describing research experiments by Prof. Kowsky and his engineer Mr. Frost. They discovered that if they placed a quartz crystal inside a metal box and treated it with high-powered radio waves the crystal expanded and caused the whole apparatus weighing 55 pounds to rise in the air. Later that year these results were published in a US magazine.

Townsend Brown’s development of Electrogravitics tech began in the mid 1920’s. Townsend Brown discovered that electric charge and gravitational mass are coupled. He found that when a capacitor is charged to a high voltage, it has a tendency to move toward its positive pole. His findings, which became known as the BiefeldBrown effect, were opposed by conventional minded physicists of his time. Brown conducted a demonstration for military top brass. He flew a pair of 3-foot diameter discs around a 50-foot course tethered to a central pole. Energized with 150,000 volts and emitting ions from their leading edge, they attained speeds of several hundred miles per hour. The subject was thereafter classified. Project Winterhaven involved Brown submitting a proposal to the Pentagon for the development of a Mach 3 disc shaped electrogravitic fighter craft. Drawings of its basic design are shown in one of his patents. They are essentially large-scale versions of his tethered test discs.

The rest is as they say, history…

Additional references and pertinent info on the physics and technology involved with the above described electrogravitic craft:

- "The U.S. Antigravity Squadron" (Dr. Paul Laviollette wrote this article for inclusion in Tom Valone's breakthrough book "Electrogravitics Systems". The article below is a partial-length reprint of Laviolette's work suggesting a connection between the B2-Bomber and the 1960's electrogravitics research of TT-Brown) : https://archive.org/details/ventura-03

- “Everything for nothing” - new physics based on the fluctuations of empty space (by Harold E. Puthoff) https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg12717275-500/

- An article exploring how Defense contractors raced to create ZPE tech (technology that extracts usable energy from the quantum vacuum (including BAE systems) then all the research went dark: https://archive.org/details/zero-point-energy

-Gravity as a zero-point-fluctuation force (Harold E. Puthoff): https://archive.org/details/gravity.-pra.paper-1

-Source of vacuum electromagnetic zero-point energy ( Harold E. Puthoff ): https://archive.org/details/source-of-vacuum-electromagnetic-zero-po

-Physics of the zero-point field: implications for inertia, gravitation and mass ( Harold E. Puthoff ) : https://archive.org/details/sst97

-An electromagnetic basis for inertia and gravitation: What are the implications for 21st century physics and technology? (B. Haisch, A. Rueda) Published 15 January 1998 Physics: https://archive.org/details/zpf_staif98

-Space Drives ( Electromagnetic ) ~ US Patents for anti-G, force-field propulsion, electro-kinetics, &c. : https://web.archive.org/web/20180703042632/http://rexresearch.com/antigrav/antigrav.htm

https://www.integrityresearchinstitute.org/Pinheiro.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20180703041949/http://rexresearch.com/perl/elgsys.htm

https://web.archive.org/web/20190104012250/http://www.rexresearch.com/brown5/ttbrown5.htm

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aux is playing's avatar

Very well put indeed!

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Gavin Mounsey's avatar

I appreciate you taking the time to read and share your thoughts.

I posted additional pertinent information pertaining to the mass cancellation (aka "anti-gravity") technology I had mentioned in two more new comments above.

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aux is playing's avatar

Gavin, I apologise for keeping you waiting. I began writing a reply, but it kept getting longer and taking longer time to get to the end. (I'm afraid I'm a slow writer, and an even slower thinker) I hope to get back to you with it over the next few hours.

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Gavin Mounsey's avatar

No worries and no need to feel rushed.

I have an intense schedule at my day job (regenerative landscape design and installation) this time of year so it is likely I will not be able to respond for a day or two anyways.

Thanks for taking the time to read and contemplate what I shared.

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The point being: I advocate for less technology, not more. A low-tech, analogue future, in a vastly different vision than the techno-everything nightmare that we're being presented by the rapacious class and their government lackeys. I propose the slowing-down, and the stretching of distance, making the world bigger, rather than the contraction of time and space, and the diminishing and deterioration of everything that advancing technology leads to.

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I also advocate for less technology (not more) given the current state of consciousness of humanity and our adolescent social and spiritual development as a species.

There are individuals like Dr. Steven Greer that feel they can safely get some of the breakthrough clean energy and propulsion technologies out from the highly classified military/contracting arena and into being used in a beneficial way by the general public (to end pollution and energy monopolies) but despite my knowing the technology is real, I have my reservations about the process and timeline he proposes in films like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3xI-DPLdWI

While I have managed to confirm that the vast majority of the intel presented by Steven Greer and his team is legit and represents actionable intel I do not necessarily share his views regarding glorifying high tech sterilized robotic hydroponic agriculture (which so called “free energy” would make widely available) as some kind of amazing solution and step forward in our evolution as a species.

I mean don’t get me wrong, I do think that the guy is right when he says that if the suppressed zero point energy field extraction tech (so called “free energy” generators) were to become widely available it would reduce the cost of most things to nearly zero, shift the macro-economic order, destabilize existing hyper-consolidated monopolistic oligarchies and help us to drastically reduce pollution, but thinking that some giant hydroponic artificial food growing systems are the answer to world hunger and improving our quality of life is all wrong.

Spending time working close with the plants in a natural setting, with living soil, a diverse range of plants, trees and fungi, that is the medicine that each and every human being that is physically able needs, not some quick fix startrek food replicator nonsense.

We were created (and/or evolved) to interact with living ecosystems symbiotically, it is part of what maintains our health as human beings. High tech quick fixes are not a path to spiritually or socially evolve as a species.. in order to truly liberate our human race we must first liberate the mind and the heart, which requires reconnecting with the living planet Earth. Greer talks about meditation and the living planet (which is great) but then he shows these CGI renderings of some future he depicts and describes as a glorious golden age for humanity and it shows these giant hydroponic growing operations with robots, I think while that kind of cultivation may be helpful in some situations, we should be focusing on real living soil, regenerating the soil and creating food forests (as the ancients did) before anything else. I do look forward to that film he is putting out this year though (The Lost Century) but I have my reservations about the high tech quick fix agriculture stuff he puts on a pedestal.

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aux is playing's avatar

Blimey! Gavin, you write so well, and so fast! I humbly concede, without the slightest resent, to a far better writer and much deeper and more thorough thinker. This is an extremely worthwhile topic, make no mistake, and you have chosen your mission well indeed. Because it is clear that this is your mission, and I wish you every success. But we both know that it's an exceedingly difficult one.

Thanks again for the link to "Bright Green Lies." That's another one to add to my growing reading list. My own awareness of the fraudulent state of the environmental movement, the form that I have since learnt it has been remodeled into since the 60s and early 70s, began in earnest when I worked at an academic research institute almost twenty years ago. While I accumulated my own anecdotal evidence, principally from my observations of how so much about physical and planetary science academia had degenerated by way of the corrupting influence of politicised funding, I also came across the work of Bjørn Lomborg and his book "The Skeptical Environmentalist" (2001), which seemed even to my etiolated mind to have more soundly argued and better substantiated premises than the universal "climate change" motive repeated like a mantra by academics, as well as any government mouthpiece or environmental/climate change cultist.

I should have watched the video with Steven Greer before responding, but I thought I'd respond to your output first and foremost.

"High tech quick fixes are not a path to spiritually or socially evolve as a species.. in order to truly liberate our human race we must first liberate the mind and the heart, which requires reconnecting with the living planet Earth."

Without qualification, this is the prayer-ender. This is where it begins, and ends for me. There's almost nothing else, unless we're decided on rummaging through the details.

The pursuance of greater and cheaper energy is a fool's errand and a assured bearing toward downfall.

"... we should be focusing on real living soil, regenerating the soil and creating food forests (as the ancients did) before anything else."

The greatest, perhaps the only genuine sacrilege is the contemporary denial of fundamental, elemental and inviolable human cohesion and dependence on the soil, water, and air - being the very matter we and all life has emerged from. All that prattle about bio-digital convergence and the managed evolution of the human species by human ingenuity itself is such absurd nonsense from insufferably shameless and hubristic, and thoroughly obnoxious intellectual poseurs and imposters.

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I'm repeating here what I've posted elsewhere, so I hope you'll forgive me for commending myself:

People blithely adopt and absorb technology, however potentially hazardous it might be, into their homes and merge it into their work and play practices, their lives and into their very bodies, without the least effort in considered examination as to what purpose might be for its existence, nor especially whether it is even necessary. I'm not advocating for conversion to Ludditism (though I certainly won't denounce the spirit I assume gave rise to it), but why have we not as individuals, or collectively as a society, made a determination to define clearly for ourselves, our families, our communities and society what might be considered appropriate technology, and what the appropriate level of mechanisation/instrumentation/electrification/etc. that is to be tolerated, but not one skerrick more? Instead what we have demonstrated is an unconscious, bovine laisser passer with technology. We've foolishly allowed the advertisers (actually, those whom the advertisers work for and who own the agencies) to decide for us, make these determinations, and to steer us into behaving exactly as the bastards want us to.

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But as far as one of the overarching themes of the subject is concerned - that there might be paradigm-changing scientific conjectures, maybe even entirely unrevealed fields of inquiry, and revolutionary technologies that have been sequestered by the (deep-) state and concealed - this is very likely true. Firstly because the masters of governments, who are also the originators, executors, trustees and beneficiaries of the deep state, are irreverent mercantilists, of the most rapacious and blood-sucking variety imaginable, and they unwaveringly seek to maximise profits in whatever racket they already have going. If anything, their calculus has so far been yielding a result of greater profits from kicking the can down the road and continuing to squeeze the juice out of the already picked and over-ripe and shrivelling orange (fossil fuels, and indirectly uranium) than they might be able get out of any new fruit - for the time being.

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Despite taking so long to provide this reply, if you were expecting a focused cross-examination and technical appraisal of the technology, then I'm afraid this will be a disappointing read.

Thanks very much for your detailed synopsis and for sharing the links to more comprehensive information. These are undeniably intriguing nascent, groundbreaking technologies that would have far-reaching implications, if the promise were ever realised. I've followed-up the links and downloaded the electronic books and documents, though it will take me some time to read through those sources, and because engineering and fundamental/gravitational physics/mechanics are subjects somewhat out of my wheelhouse (that is despite the fact that I was scientifically trained, and I have some academic and professional attainment, but those formal aspects have all but lapsed from years of non-participation - it's a long story), it will still take a considerable investment of time and effort for me to be able to properly evaluate the scientific and engineering principles and technologies proposed.

Bluntly, to my mind this speculative technology is in the category of the solution looking for a problem to solve. Beyond the "gee-whiz" factor, I just don't see how or why the world needs it, or could in any way benefit from it. On the other hand, long-term there are only down-sides that I can see. It does promises immense power, but while governments exist there's absolutely no chance whatsoever they'd freely allow any civilian to hold and utilise it.

Science and technology increases human power - and magnifies the flaws in human nature. It has enabled us to have higher living standards and live longer, but it has simultaneously brought about the decrease in life gratification and value, and the debasement of community and fellowship. It has enabled us to travel further and faster, but at the cost of devaluing the world and occasioning an insatiable avidity. And because it concentrates into the hands of the rapacious class, at the same time it allows them to wreak immense planetary destruction, and on their fellow humans, it enables them to create misery on an ever larger scale.

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PS - have you heard of a book called "Bright Green Lies"?

(the full PDF of the book can be found here: https://archive.org/details/derrick-jensen-bright-green-lies-monkfish-book-publishing-company-2021 )

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Thank you for the in depth, perspicacious, insightful and candid comments. I agree with much of what you have shared above and though I do not have time this morning to write a proper response and engaged with you on the viable solutions and vision for the future side of things, I will share a few comments I posted elsewhere that relate to this so you can see how I do share many of your concerns with humans coveting and depending on high tech devices (and I personally intend to lean less and less on high tech in my own life).

Many think electric cars and lithium / cobalt battery powered solar / wind powered houses are a "green" way to keep on living as we have been, but as I illuminated in my comments regarding lithium mining, that is a fallacy. Others are now involved with putting Hot Fusion technology on that same pedestal but in my opinion, it is also a technology that is ripe for abuse.

I would like to express my concerns about the current forms of nuclear fusion being promoted as "green" or "sustainable". The PR sounds great, but underneath the hype, when you take a look at what materials and equipment are required, this kind if hot fusion tech they are working on at ITER can only result in a new kind of energy corporation monopoly. This whole push for hot fusion reactors (and all the billions in tax payer money and other funding sources being spent on it) reminds me of the cancer industry and its endless push for more funding for “research” (scooped up through campaigns and going right into big pharma’s pocket perpetually so they can develop, patent and have a monopoly on brutally expensive chemo drugs etc (while real proven natural cures are blackboxed, ‘fact checked’ or otherwise demonized in some way or ignored because they cannot be patented).

The hot fusion reactors that are being promoted in the mainstream news/academic circles right now are extremely wasteful in how much energy is required to operate them (for the high-powered lasers). Also, even if they could create a chain reaction that was self-sustaining, it would still require extremely expensive specialized equipment and materials. For instance, one gram of deuterium is currently costing more than a gram of gold to produce and tritium is being estimated to cost $2 billion per kilogram produced (requiring lithium to be produced, which again means depending on a finite resource, that is strip mined etc). If these hot fusion reactors were adopted and developed to plug into our existing power grid it would result in existing centralized energy cartels creating monopolies (just like they did with oil) dominating people’s access to the energy the hot fusion devices would create. This is not a wise or responsible solution to our global energy conundrum.

People like Eugene Mallove on the other hand were doing extremely important work on L.E.N.R. (aka “cold fusion”) technologies and exposed the systemic corruption of institutions like MIT (and their actively covering up discoveries pertaining to said scientific developments). See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y98YwJ2GEE for more info. The technology he was working on (related to LENRs) would be able to be applied in a decentralized fashion and scaled to the needs of situations globally. That however would threaten the pocket books of some very powerful people, thus Eugene Mallove was killed and here we are with hot fusion being promoted in universities and on the news (as, unlike "cold fusion" tech, hot fusion tech is something that can be monopolized).

The real challenge we face with solving the so called "energy crisis" on Earth is not something that requires billions to be solved, it is more a matter of either taking steps to stop depending on technology that is destroying Mother Earth in each of our lives and/or figuring out a way to get the already extant inventions (which are cheaper, applicable in a decentralized way and scalable to any situation) from our brightest minds past the buzz saw of institutionalized suppression, thievery, and murderous operations that have stunted human ingenuity in this field of study and engineering for many decades now. https://fas.org/blogs/secrecy/2010/10/invention_secrecy_2010/ Since I have no confidence in our ability to get around the murderous mechanisms of truly clean, efficient, scalable and decentralized energy technologies, I am opting for withdrawing my support from the technological infrastructure and refraining from buying any future gadgets now that I know what I know about lithium, cobalt, tantalum and tungsten.

Many have unconsciously decided that the most they are willing to do is choose what they consider to be the 'least' destructive and toxic industries which will allow them to continue to live a life of comfort and high tech toys.

I often invite them to consider the third option of not supporting either industry. I am certainly not there yet as I am typing this message on a desktop computer tied into an industrial electrical grid but I intend on heading in that direction. I could list a few dozen other technologies that could replace, oil, lithium batteries, nuclear, solar, wind and hydroelectric energy corporations. Have you ever heard of Dimitri Petronov? He had developed a plasma battery the size of a shoebox that powered his entire two bedroom house and all the appliances in it for over a year without a single recharge, but after some visits from "investors" and then military/intelligence types, he disappeared and his body was later found in the Volga river. Sadly, his story is not unique, Dr. Eugene Mallove (MIT, mentioned above and shown in the video linked above) and Dr. Aries M. DeGeus were also doing some promising work on plasma energy generation and storage tech, and both of them also ended up dead. http://www.rexresearch.com/articles2/thorium.htm Then there are other technologies that are even cleaner such as Stanley Meyer's water fuel cell, or the countless toroidal geometry based energy extraction devices that tap into the quantum vacuum and produce usable electricity without requiring any fuel or mining. Considering the massive global industries and oligarchs that are opposed to energy generation/storage tech coming out that would threaten their monopolies (and considering all the people they have murdered and bribed to keep it that way over the decades), I do not think it is realistic for us to hope for any large scale energy device manufacturing revolution to be able to supply us with the energy we need to keep living with all our gadgets and high tech addictions (while still claiming to value protecting nature and respecting Mother Earth).

I often point out to people the fact that that humans have existed for millennia without electricity and a great many of them lived fulfilling lives of purpose, creativity, grace, courage and spiritual growth. The inherent built in perspective that sees cities and industrial electrical grids as being something we must perpetuate (via either conventional means or more "sustainable" alternatives) misses the point that there is a third option. The third option is refusing to participate in funding the destruction of Mother Earth's body and innocent children (such as those that work in the Cobalt mines in the Congo to get the rare metals required to make these smart devices we are reading and writing on now) and being willing to make the sacrifice of letting go of our high tech addictions and creature comforts to live a more simple life in close symbiotic connection with the living Earth where we live (as our ancestors did). Many will not be willing to do that, and will make excuses why we must continue to buy high tech gadgets, build out cities and power the industrial power grid as the real ethical alternative is something they are not willing to consider. In the end it all boils down to if we believe that our comfort and enjoyment is worth more than the lives of children in the Cobalt mines and the integrity of the ecosystems all over the world that are being strip mined and poisoned so we can continue to live comfortably in the "developed" world.

Thus, as I said above for me , it all boils down to the fact that those that wish to walk a path guided by any kind of honest moral compass (including but not limited to the permaculture ethical imperative of People Care-Earth Care-Future Care) are going to have to make some hard choices if we want our actions to continue to align with the principles we espouse and claim to live by.

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