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My biggest issue with RFK Jr is his stance on mandating vaccines/medical interventions. He has stated, in so many words, that he is for mandating vaccines/medical interventions if they can be shown to be helpful rather than harmful. This is definitely not medical freedom. From his own mouth, go to minute 24:10: youtube.com/watch?v=oZM…
My biggest issue with RFK Jr is his stance on mandating vaccines/medical interventions. He has stated, in so many words, that he is for mandating vaccines/medical interventions if they can be shown to be helpful rather than harmful. This is definitely not medical freedom. From his own mouth, go to minute 24:10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZMmR0bocmg
That is pretty damning! He cleverly with wordplay denounced mandating vaccines only to telegraph that he would.
Thanks for this.
I suspect it's more likely that he simply hasn't thought it through clearly; and this is how it came out when he expressed what he thought was a viewpoint that would be acceptable to "both sides".
I wasn't able to find a clear explanation of why it's wrong ON PRINCIPLE (even if it's a miracle cure) to mandate it, so I had a go. I think it's vital that EVERYONE can explain it, but most people need help.
Here's my attempt. Please view and promote it if you think it fundamentally important, as I do.
https://whatdoino.substack.com/p/whats-wrong-with-the-greater-good
Desmet is very deceptive. Mass formation "groupthink" can happen in many ways-- such as during the Tulip Bubble. But that's a relatively innocent formation. What Desmet wants to argue is that basically all mass formations are of the same character as "the madness of crowds," however totalitarianism differs from these generic formations in that it involves deliberate and massive censorship and propaganda in order to silence all opposition narratives and opposition force. Desmet on the other hand argues strenuously that there is never a conspiracy to silence opposition that induces the mass formation in the first place. His view makes no sense at all and isn't supported by history.
RFK Jr has expressed opinions that tend toward censorship of 'anti-science' climate views. He has in fact advocated for jailing high-powered industry leaders who are opposed to the consensus reality.
I'd like him to come out and state clearly and distinctly what he thinks of climate science. We all know the answer to that already but he skirts around the truth.
It means the health of multi-jabbed children is a lost cause...mostly because of the brainwashed state of their parents, who continue to insist that their kids’ autism and severe allergies have nothing to do with the 72 (and counting) injections inflicted upon their little developing bodies.
I see your point but his overarching argument is that NO vaccines have been tested and shown safe. The methodology of testing is gamed by pharma. So his comment that he’d be willing to mandate them is a challenge. He’ll also include opinions of virologists and epidemiologists in the efficacy of the vaccines.
He would have to lay out how he would prove that a vaccine was not obviously damaging as he could never prove it was totally safe. The only way to do that is to take some children and inject them only with that vaccine and nothing else for their whole life and then follow them through their whole life and compare them with a totally unvaccinated group of children you also followed through their whole life. That means that no vaccine could be shown to be largely benign until 80 or 90 years has passed because those studies have never been done even 200 years after vaccination started. Also just because one vaccine seemed to be safe that doesn't mean it would be safe if combined with another one or another two or another ten so lots of different combination studies would have to be done again covering 80 or 90 years. There is no way that Kennedy would demand that be the safety standard he was willing to accept so he is a fraud.
John - More than one childhood vaccine was safety tested/children followed for a full four days! And mainstreamers (CDC, FDA, pharma) will not allow any comparison of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated young people. The main physician I'm aware of who did this in their own practice (compared vaxx vs. unvaxxed) has been stripped of their license and excoriated likely because of the outcomes shown from this internal review of his patients.
I believe that one of the longest studies was on the Measles shots that lasted a whole 28 days with fewer than 20 children in the trial and with zero follow up thereafter and knowing how Pfizer and the others simply throw people off these studies for having the audacity to show side effects I can only assume we are only hearing about those that had no side effects. It is criminal. My sister was a district nurse for the last decade of her nursing career and she went from being an avid jabber to someone who insisted the parents read the leaflets and all the side effects before accepting these jabs as she saw child after child who was well adjusted and healthy become mentally damaged and unhealthy after the jabs and we are not talking a tiny minority here but a very high percentage. She was eventually pushed out of her job and took early retirement because the doctors she worked for around town, who got big government pay-outs if they got over 90% or thereabouts of children on their lists jabbed, felt that she was informing parents all too well what damage these jabs could do. As I say all she was doing was showing them the manufacturer's own insert leaflets and suggesting they do their own research which is what any good medical person should be doing.
How wonderful to hear of your sister's willingness to operate on her principles! How sad that the medical profession will not put up with individuals who are actually upholding their oaths to their profession. Thank you for sharing. The very fact that the pharmaceutical companies who have everything to gain ($) and nothing to lose (no ability to sue them if their product damages/kills someone) are the very ones producing the safety trials is insane - no conflict of interest at all (sarc).
You can never prove a theory, you can only falsify it.
Just can easily falsify the claim that they are 100% safe and you are good to go.
The problem is that "they" dont care about total 100% safety, they want to MANAGE the risk profile for YOU or the general population, so they are totally OK with killing 2 humans if they can save 3, or with another ratio. The basis for all medical treatments, therapies, vaccines should be the FREEDOM to choose (without ANY negative consequences). What they try to do is saying "what we found in this study is that GENERALLY, ON THE WHOLE more are "saved" than harmed" so they go on to mandate it totally OK with killing individuals because ON THE WHOLE the group is better off. Its insanity and they are criminals.
Also RCTs are partly garbage, please dont tell anyone. They can never show you the local-inidivdual and microlevel. They are basically tools to expand and enforce "GROUP" and collectivist thoughts.
RFK Jr. says he wants safe vaccines. He know there are no safe vaccines. He is also for bodily autonomy. I think you are being devious in selecting your proof.
It sounds like RFK is the one skirting round the issue by trying to be all things to all people not those who say he looks like he is skirting round the issue and trying to be all things to all people. If he thinks ALL vaccines are unsafe, as you and I both think, he should say so once and for all and then shut his trap about the issue.
Sharon Reeve - No "devious" intentions. I have been following RFK Jr. for many years and admire him for what he has accomplished and his willingness to go against the mainstream, so I was shocked when I read this, especially in light of thinking he was for bodily autonomy - I just couldn't find anything definitive from him about his bodily freedom after I heard this clip from him. I'm honestly hoping someone can show me a more recent clip that would persuade me about his bodily freedom stance.
Oh my goodness, peggy hall is a fake really taking news from her - she is a money making queen 10K to show to freedom rally
Great find. Welp I knew he was too good to be true.
Please post a link to any video of him stating he would never mandate a vaccine. He has obviously NOT mandated vaccines as he has never been in a position to do so. However, the video I've linked leads me to believe he would mandate a medical intervention if it were proven to be safe - so who gets to decide if the intervention is "safe"?. Judging from recent experience, those wielding the power deemed certain medical interventions to be "safe" (and effective:) so I'm not real optimistic we're going on the judgment of any objective third party. I'm not feeling very free if anyone can mandate any medical intervention on me - safe or not!!
Come on next thing you'll be telling us is that mandated lobotomies weren't safe and effective back in the 30's, 40's and 50's even though the "experts" back then said they were. ;o) (sarc)
Good one! Let's just leave all our decisions to the "experts" - think of all the time and brainpower we'd save:)
He is still up to mandate a vaccine even if its "safe". That's a very slippery slope. Then there is the 2A stuff. Im off the RFK good island.
I suggest that it's not enough to have a gut aversion to mandating vaccines (on this occasion). You should be able to explain why it's wrong ON PRINCIPLE, as well as historical precedent. See
https://whatdoino.substack.com/p/whats-wrong-with-the-greater-good
Jonathan Reece - oh my goodness - your article is amaaaazing! I hope you share it at least monthly in any space you frequent. Speaking of that, are you familiar with Jeff Childers' "Coffee and Covid" substack? It's a good one
... and I don't do Twitter or Facebook, so I'm only talking to the limited audience on Substack and a couple of Telegram groups. So if you think it's worth reading please do put links anywhere appropriate!
Thanks very much. Yes, I do try and promote it, but I'm not very good at it!
Someone wrote the comment "this is life-changing" on a different article of mine, and I thought "great - that will help". Then I realised they had written it on the thread where they were referred to it, not on the article, and I couldn't find it again!
Yes, I do subscribe to C & C. Funnily enough it was one of the first I subscribed to out of about 30.
Good call!
Mandating any medical treatment is the very road to hell paved with good intentions. History has demonstrated this.
To put it another way: the evil of a few people-- or even many people-- refusing to do what the medical authorities want is far outweighed by the proved evils of forced medical treatment. There's no contest.
My gut tells me that they have purposefully orchestrated that RFK Jr be pro-vaccine, Anti-2A, pro-Abortion, & anti-Biden/Deep State, for the purposes of waking the woke up slowly, but surely...I see patterns a lot...
Watch the linked YouTube video at noted time. He literally admits in clever wordplay that he would mandate a vaccine. It is in his own words. You just have to dare listen.
He would mandate if found safe- however he knows that they will never be found safe. There are no safe vaccines.
I mandate injecting everyone with shit because I have found it to be perfectly safe. Are you ok with that because if you aren't I will send you to a mental institution.
That is where Kennedy's word play ends up for the individual. Only you can decide what is good for you not someone else or a group of someone else's who no more understand disease and immunity than anyone else on this planet does.
He chose the wrong words- but he knows vaccines will never be found to be safe
Rust - now THAT is what I'd like to hear from RFK - and from the majority of our representatives.
A disappointing post from 2nd smartest guy.
Since when is banning assault weapons equivalent to banning the 2nd Amendment?
Regarding the vaccine mandate controversy::
Peggy Hall sounds fanatical in her screed, dissecting and interpreting words erroneously. Implying from one sentence that everything RFK stands for is a sham. He’s now in the political arena, and as such sounds like he’s just trying to get elected. He has a lot to bring to the table. Who is a better candidate. Consider EVERYTHING. Shall we get hysterical and dismiss him over an interpretation that is wrong?
The tone and pitch to her presentation of off-putting. Starting to sound like the Tower of Babel. It’s not even reasonable for her to doubt him, considering this statement:
"I'm against 💉 mandates or any kind of medical mandates. I'm against mask mandates...I would be completely against 💉 mandates as president."
~ RFK Jr on 6/27/2023
I did read he accepted money from Hilary for his foundation & he voted for her in 2016, & they are friends. Thats a big red flag.
Zpycer - you may have found what I'm looking for to offset his first video. Do you have a video link to him saying this or some other type of link directly to him stating this?! Thanks for including this info!!
They believe what they want to. RFK Jr has started a movement against unregulated vaccination especially those mandated for our kids. God, our kids! The people that say he’s controlled opposition are either CIA shills or just plain stupid.