I have no idea if there has been long term planning but let's go with such a hypothetical - why wouldn't the 2016 election results be part of that planning? Many also think elections can be rigged so why would they not have rigged the 2016 results?
Think about the two scenarios - Trump or Hilary Clinton in the White House. Who on the right would take a vaccine because Hilary told them to do so? Even many on the left wouldn't do so. One can argue that the left wouldn't take the vaccine if Trump urged them to do so and indeed that is the case as some stated in the fall of 2019. However, as soon as the administration changed, the left were only too glad to listen to the "science" - most listening to Fauci their hero who battled Trump in front of the cameras (but who was kept in place by Trump). Trump did sell the vaccines to his base as best he could claiming the vaccines were his best achievement. I wonder how many of his most ardent supporters trusted him on that score. I expect there would have been far less vaccine uptake with Hilary. There certainly couldn't have been a "battle" between Fauci "the science" and the science-deniers.
I am not saying there was such a long standing plan but to believe there was one and to think Trump wasn't part of it seems a stretch.
EDIT As CNN puts it Trump did not have the authority. Plus it would have been an impossible no win scenario leading to more trouble than it was worth.
My interpretation is that they successfully put Trump in that place that could not fire Fauci. The lionized Fauci starting in 2019 to buttress public perception for him. Then they prevented Barbara Fitzgerald from being CDC director by manipulating her investments.
The evidence including what is in this article indicates that the plandemonium would have happened when it did even if Hillary was president. I assert fooling the public would have been much easier with Hillary as president since she would have faced ZERO headwinds from the Deep State or the Mainstream Miscreants.
I also admit, its possible that they made sure Trump was president because he was complicit OR because they wanted to stain him with the Plandemonium.
If Hilary were president, I doubt many in the public would have been fooled at all. That's exactly my point. She's not likeable and many of the people who voted for Trump would not listen to her or these institutions. Trump rode in on their distrust for these institutions. It wouldn't matter if Hilary would have faced any headwind since the people don't trust her and don't trust them. When Trump went after the media and called them fake news, it wasn't that he was revealing this to his base. They already knew the news was fake and someone was finally calling MSM out on it. This segment of the American public, who already knew the news was fake, would never listen to any of the establishment but would listen to a guy who was supposedly "fighting the establishment".
As for his not firing Fauci, sure, maybe. However, there were many things he could have done that he didn't do. He could have gotten more voices to help back up Scott Atlas. During the debates he even quoted the modeling study saying that 2 million would have been lost if he didn't close the borders which was absurd and is not going to win him any votes on either side since the left believed he was responsible for 300k deaths all of which could have been prevented if only he took covid so much more seriously and the right knew that the modeling study was bs.
Trump in my view, is just playing the role of the underdog in WWF. He gets to reach some people that the establishment could never reach and in so doing, he increased vaccine uptake. The fact that he couldn't get more of his base to roll up their sleeves suggest to me that many in his base don't trust him as much as the establishment hoped/expected they would.
Thats your view. I consider it but don't share it.
He was given the studies. Recent news have flat out proven just how fake and complicit the news has been and is. #themediaisthevirus
"If Hilary were president, I doubt many in the public would have been fooled at all." I am really amazed you think this. It certainly applies to me but I feel just the opposite of that statement.
So you think the people who voted for Trump - these are people with a very high distrust of the establishment - would have listened to Hilary or CNN because Trump didn't win?
The people who would have listened to the establishment did. They took the vaccine. The only ones who were ever going to be vaccine hesitant were those who don't trust the government or the media. But yet suddenly if Hilary wins, these people who don't like her, who in fact voted against her, would suddenly believe her? Note that even people who watch FOX news have complete disdain for Hillary and would likely do the opposite of whatever it is she advocates for (and she would have had to advocate for the vaccine which would make a huge number of people anti-vaccine from the very start much like many on the left said they wouldn't take any Trump vaccine). Really think your view through. It doesn't make any sense
A whole hell of a lot of people around the world rolled up their sleeves for this poison, even though it is trumps vaccine and they were told not to take it by Trump's opponent before it came out. That is the answer to your question. It's pretty freaking obvious.
Sorry for being curt. Gotta go into an appointment.
It's absolutely not obvious at all. People in America have taken this vaccine in large amounts much like most of the western world and sorry but I don't see how these numbers would have been any higher with Hilary. The highest vaccine holdouts are in red states. Are you suggesting that Clinton would have been better equipped to sway these people than Trump was?
Bringing the rest of the world in as an argument is extremely weak. Vaccine rates differ between countries as does trust in government and institutions. In America and in the UK, trust in government is at an all time low and was even in 2016 (witness Trump's popularity and Brexit). Note places where there is low trust also has lower vaccine uptake ie. some of the former countries of the Soviet Union have low vaccine uptake compared with the rest of the world. There is also a huge political divide in America that isn't seen around the world. The means that a Democrat president pushing a vaccine would have turned off Republicans and a Republican president pushing vaccines would have turned off Democrats. Note that Trump never pushed the vaccine on the mainstream news only talked about it really on FOX. Ask a CNN watcher if Trump is vaxxed and their answer would likely be to snort and say he's an anti-vaxxer. That is also the beauty of our very partisan news - one side sees a completely different reality from the other.
Democrats in America don't associate the vaccine with Trump. They consider it a miracle of "science" and while for a short time they were howling that they can't trust the FDA under Trump's administration - that was the talking point not that it was Trump's vaccine but that he will pressure the FDA to push it out before it's ready - as soon as the admin changed hands, that issue was rectified because of course Biden wouldn't interfere with "the science". These same people would have taken the vaccine regardless of who is in power because they trust the institutions like FDA etc.
Hilary would have won nobody over to the vaccine side. Do you really think FOX viewers who have despised her for years would have just rolled up their sleeves because she and the FDA told them to? The only hope to get some of these people who don't trust institutions to roll up their sleeves would have been to have a populist who agrees with them that the institutions are corrupt and even looks to be attacking these insitutions. Basically he could come in and sell the vaccines to them by saying you might not be able to trust them but you can trust me.
As I said, whether he could fire Fauci or not, he certainly didn't do any favors for Scott Atlas by putting him in a more prominent position or hiring others who would support his position nor did he bring on a set of doctors for a debate like Ron DeSantis did.
The problem with all of that from the point of view of someone who believes that covid-19 was planned years in advance - and I am not saying it was - is this argument from Trump supporters that he was duped or forced to do this or that etc.
Note that you gave absolutely no argument to the idea that if this was all planned, Trump would have been far better equipped to target vaccine holdouts than Hilary. We already know almost all of her supporters lined up for the vaccine so exactly how would Hilary have managed to get holdouts which are higher in the red states to take a vaccine when even Trump couldn't reach them? Note, I do expect some on the right did take the vaccine because Trump told them to but wouldn't have done so if Hilary were in charge. Also, if one does believe that covid-19 was planned for years as some suggest though I personally do not suggest this to be the case, then I would imagine part of such planning would have involved gaming out scenarios of vaccine uptake under various presidents. Trump followed by Biden seems to reach the most people as Trump would be able to reach the people who don't trust the establishment while Biden would wave away any worries of Trump rushing out vaccines as he's a return to the "classic" politician. I doubt Hilary would be as effective on the left as Biden has been.
Trump’s order in September, 2019 mentioning all those agencies involved with “vaccine research” actually brings attention to all these players being involved in such work.
No mention of mRNA but asks to improve existing flu vaccine efficacy as currently only at 45%.
This might hold them more accountable before Event 201 to Improve vaccines quality. (If he knew they already had a bioweapon jab loaded up & ready)
Interesting!
All we have ever been told is that 2016 election was the 1st time a military force disabled their cheating to allow a Trump win.
Wikileaks has email cc’d to Pedosta telling that Soros is meeting to go over the “pre-programming” before’16 election.
They were so comfortable before this they were even running kids through the White House.
HRC couldn’t give speech afterwards
Kerry takes off & rushes down to Antarctica to meet with ...
In September 2019 Trump signed order to modernize influenza vaccines:
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-modernizing-influenza-vaccines-united-states-promote-national-security-public-health/
I have no idea if there has been long term planning but let's go with such a hypothetical - why wouldn't the 2016 election results be part of that planning? Many also think elections can be rigged so why would they not have rigged the 2016 results?
Think about the two scenarios - Trump or Hilary Clinton in the White House. Who on the right would take a vaccine because Hilary told them to do so? Even many on the left wouldn't do so. One can argue that the left wouldn't take the vaccine if Trump urged them to do so and indeed that is the case as some stated in the fall of 2019. However, as soon as the administration changed, the left were only too glad to listen to the "science" - most listening to Fauci their hero who battled Trump in front of the cameras (but who was kept in place by Trump). Trump did sell the vaccines to his base as best he could claiming the vaccines were his best achievement. I wonder how many of his most ardent supporters trusted him on that score. I expect there would have been far less vaccine uptake with Hilary. There certainly couldn't have been a "battle" between Fauci "the science" and the science-deniers.
I am not saying there was such a long standing plan but to believe there was one and to think Trump wasn't part of it seems a stretch.
EDIT As CNN puts it Trump did not have the authority. Plus it would have been an impossible no win scenario leading to more trouble than it was worth.
My interpretation is that they successfully put Trump in that place that could not fire Fauci. The lionized Fauci starting in 2019 to buttress public perception for him. Then they prevented Barbara Fitzgerald from being CDC director by manipulating her investments.
The evidence including what is in this article indicates that the plandemonium would have happened when it did even if Hillary was president. I assert fooling the public would have been much easier with Hillary as president since she would have faced ZERO headwinds from the Deep State or the Mainstream Miscreants.
I also admit, its possible that they made sure Trump was president because he was complicit OR because they wanted to stain him with the Plandemonium.
If Hilary were president, I doubt many in the public would have been fooled at all. That's exactly my point. She's not likeable and many of the people who voted for Trump would not listen to her or these institutions. Trump rode in on their distrust for these institutions. It wouldn't matter if Hilary would have faced any headwind since the people don't trust her and don't trust them. When Trump went after the media and called them fake news, it wasn't that he was revealing this to his base. They already knew the news was fake and someone was finally calling MSM out on it. This segment of the American public, who already knew the news was fake, would never listen to any of the establishment but would listen to a guy who was supposedly "fighting the establishment".
As for his not firing Fauci, sure, maybe. However, there were many things he could have done that he didn't do. He could have gotten more voices to help back up Scott Atlas. During the debates he even quoted the modeling study saying that 2 million would have been lost if he didn't close the borders which was absurd and is not going to win him any votes on either side since the left believed he was responsible for 300k deaths all of which could have been prevented if only he took covid so much more seriously and the right knew that the modeling study was bs.
Trump in my view, is just playing the role of the underdog in WWF. He gets to reach some people that the establishment could never reach and in so doing, he increased vaccine uptake. The fact that he couldn't get more of his base to roll up their sleeves suggest to me that many in his base don't trust him as much as the establishment hoped/expected they would.
Thats your view. I consider it but don't share it.
He was given the studies. Recent news have flat out proven just how fake and complicit the news has been and is. #themediaisthevirus
"If Hilary were president, I doubt many in the public would have been fooled at all." I am really amazed you think this. It certainly applies to me but I feel just the opposite of that statement.
So you think the people who voted for Trump - these are people with a very high distrust of the establishment - would have listened to Hilary or CNN because Trump didn't win?
The people who would have listened to the establishment did. They took the vaccine. The only ones who were ever going to be vaccine hesitant were those who don't trust the government or the media. But yet suddenly if Hilary wins, these people who don't like her, who in fact voted against her, would suddenly believe her? Note that even people who watch FOX news have complete disdain for Hillary and would likely do the opposite of whatever it is she advocates for (and she would have had to advocate for the vaccine which would make a huge number of people anti-vaccine from the very start much like many on the left said they wouldn't take any Trump vaccine). Really think your view through. It doesn't make any sense
A whole hell of a lot of people around the world rolled up their sleeves for this poison, even though it is trumps vaccine and they were told not to take it by Trump's opponent before it came out. That is the answer to your question. It's pretty freaking obvious.
Sorry for being curt. Gotta go into an appointment.
It's absolutely not obvious at all. People in America have taken this vaccine in large amounts much like most of the western world and sorry but I don't see how these numbers would have been any higher with Hilary. The highest vaccine holdouts are in red states. Are you suggesting that Clinton would have been better equipped to sway these people than Trump was?
Bringing the rest of the world in as an argument is extremely weak. Vaccine rates differ between countries as does trust in government and institutions. In America and in the UK, trust in government is at an all time low and was even in 2016 (witness Trump's popularity and Brexit). Note places where there is low trust also has lower vaccine uptake ie. some of the former countries of the Soviet Union have low vaccine uptake compared with the rest of the world. There is also a huge political divide in America that isn't seen around the world. The means that a Democrat president pushing a vaccine would have turned off Republicans and a Republican president pushing vaccines would have turned off Democrats. Note that Trump never pushed the vaccine on the mainstream news only talked about it really on FOX. Ask a CNN watcher if Trump is vaxxed and their answer would likely be to snort and say he's an anti-vaxxer. That is also the beauty of our very partisan news - one side sees a completely different reality from the other.
Democrats in America don't associate the vaccine with Trump. They consider it a miracle of "science" and while for a short time they were howling that they can't trust the FDA under Trump's administration - that was the talking point not that it was Trump's vaccine but that he will pressure the FDA to push it out before it's ready - as soon as the admin changed hands, that issue was rectified because of course Biden wouldn't interfere with "the science". These same people would have taken the vaccine regardless of who is in power because they trust the institutions like FDA etc.
Hilary would have won nobody over to the vaccine side. Do you really think FOX viewers who have despised her for years would have just rolled up their sleeves because she and the FDA told them to? The only hope to get some of these people who don't trust institutions to roll up their sleeves would have been to have a populist who agrees with them that the institutions are corrupt and even looks to be attacking these insitutions. Basically he could come in and sell the vaccines to them by saying you might not be able to trust them but you can trust me.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/13/politics/can-trump-fire-fauci/index.html
As I said, whether he could fire Fauci or not, he certainly didn't do any favors for Scott Atlas by putting him in a more prominent position or hiring others who would support his position nor did he bring on a set of doctors for a debate like Ron DeSantis did.
The problem with all of that from the point of view of someone who believes that covid-19 was planned years in advance - and I am not saying it was - is this argument from Trump supporters that he was duped or forced to do this or that etc.
Note that you gave absolutely no argument to the idea that if this was all planned, Trump would have been far better equipped to target vaccine holdouts than Hilary. We already know almost all of her supporters lined up for the vaccine so exactly how would Hilary have managed to get holdouts which are higher in the red states to take a vaccine when even Trump couldn't reach them? Note, I do expect some on the right did take the vaccine because Trump told them to but wouldn't have done so if Hilary were in charge. Also, if one does believe that covid-19 was planned for years as some suggest though I personally do not suggest this to be the case, then I would imagine part of such planning would have involved gaming out scenarios of vaccine uptake under various presidents. Trump followed by Biden seems to reach the most people as Trump would be able to reach the people who don't trust the establishment while Biden would wave away any worries of Trump rushing out vaccines as he's a return to the "classic" politician. I doubt Hilary would be as effective on the left as Biden has been.
Thanks for that link!
Quick review of that is interesting
This article links UNC Chapel Hill to SARS research in ‘15
https://www.shadolsonshow.com/2020/01/13/covid-19-born-in-north-carolina-sold-to-wuhan-lab-optimized-for-pandemic-spread/
Trump’s order in September, 2019 mentioning all those agencies involved with “vaccine research” actually brings attention to all these players being involved in such work.
No mention of mRNA but asks to improve existing flu vaccine efficacy as currently only at 45%.
This might hold them more accountable before Event 201 to Improve vaccines quality. (If he knew they already had a bioweapon jab loaded up & ready)
Interesting!
All we have ever been told is that 2016 election was the 1st time a military force disabled their cheating to allow a Trump win.
Wikileaks has email cc’d to Pedosta telling that Soros is meeting to go over the “pre-programming” before’16 election.
They were so comfortable before this they were even running kids through the White House.
HRC couldn’t give speech afterwards
Kerry takes off & rushes down to Antarctica to meet with ...
Other JFK pleads..
What happened to our dominance??
11/11/16
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/john-kerry-lands-antarctica
Then down the rabbit hole you go.. 👍
Thanks for letting me rant!